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<p>Things are quickly evolving
 </p><p><img alt="22/7 version of Icaros Settings" height="391" src="http://mirrors.lezard-visuel.com/icaros/img/200/nu_services3.jpg" title="22/7 version of Icaros Settings" width="499" /></p><p>Implemented so far:</p><p>1) bubble hints straight on labels (just place pointer over option lables and wait, a hint will appear)</p><p>2) preferences for AmiBridge environment added (they don't save yet, but just because of no time to continue today)</p><p>To do:</p><p>a) save AmiBridge settings</p><p>b) resume the USE button for session run-time applicable settings</p><p>c) add a requester for startup sound</p><p>The third goal will take some time...</p>
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Sorry a bit of a mixed post
@paolone: yes, that's exactly where those examples are for  enjoy your achievement and try to remember (a little) from what you have done. second time around should already feel more familiar. That's generally how self-made programmers/scripters get along  in addition to what you wrote paolone about the image icw kalamatee's response Quote: kalamatee wrote: Let me start with a little status update, i've currently stalled my efforts of writing an installer. There's simply to much buggy things in fpGUI that need attention to be able to perform a job that's stable enough to present to endusers. That would mean i must rework everything and use zune (not my strongest point atm) I agree with kalamatee, i had already implemented specific icaros options selection at the end of the installation, and yes graphics could be included Not separate modules/exe's/scripts, but fully customizable one window with many configurable sub stages (just like a normal windows installer does actually). Just press next and next and next ;-p imho a distributor has no business (however fond i might be of the distributor or not ;-p ) creating gui options scripts for making installation/configuration settings (without a controlled environment). That should imho be done by a program that is such fully customizable that you can easily modify it by either changing some .ini files (to stay in windows speak), or using an installation configuration GUI utility that makes things easy for the distributor to make changes as he/she wishes and whenever. Providing simple options/scripts to use/abuse as distributor wants. In that regards the old classic installer scripting was a bit spartanic as well (although it supplied rather a nice set of options the installer author could use). So, something like that, but then transformed into the 21st century and as also stated by kalamatee, so many things require attention... it seems that the longer i stick around the more work is piling up :S Ain't it nice to have a hobby
Posted on: 2014/7/21 16:35
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kalamatee wrote: Agreed, it would imho already have helped tremendously to add 3th party prefs on some sort of list (each class own implementation) and clicking an item would popup a specific prefs settings window for that class/app (all then not streamlined by using generic available classes, and when possible. e.g. textedit/view is a bit hard that way). Quote: B> A lack of ability to "plugin" to the core prefs features. That is to say you cant extend the existing pref pages, but have to just keep adding new pages... indeed not all idea's coming from that platform are bad... it just went downhill pretty fast when the 64KB wasn't enough anymore but seriously, we are in need of more commonly used gui classes :S
Posted on: 2014/7/21 16:14
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Long long ago I started trying to rework InstallAROS to become more of a scripted engine/wizard so that it could have individual modules to configure (distribution) specific features, but like a lot of things it has been left behind by the million and one other things needing done in AROS. It would be nice to see this implemented and used, but would need someone to dedicate a bit of effort to do it right.
Posted on: 2014/7/21 15:38
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Absolutely. Of course, I have to thank whoever wrote the LUA/ZULU examples, because without them, I wouldn't ever modify yannick's program. But, after all, aren't examples meant to be used that way? Quote:
Yes. Although I think "Icaros Settings" would be fine in an already-installed environment, I'd prefer a graphical approach for the 1st time run script after installation. For instance you'd get something similar for GUI Choice: Quote:
...just click on the image, and you're ok!
Posted on: 2014/7/21 15:25
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I agree totally with that. I prefer a centralised but modular GUI like MUI/Zune prefs.. Quote:
I partly agree - but IMHO it is more down to -: A> bad design decisions while implementing the individual prefs (particularly 3rd party prefs) B> A lack of ability to "plugin" to the core prefs features. That is to say you cant extend the existing pref pages, but have to just keep adding new pages... .. like it or not, B> is something Microsoft (imho) have done a great job at implementing for their GUI's.
Posted on: 2014/7/21 15:23
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paolone wrote: If i would know you a bit better that would scream for a remark like "then it was about time" ;-p You perhaps complain a little but, didn't it feel absolutely magnifique when you accomplished that what you had envisioned, and doing so by your own hands (yes, peeking at other's code is allowed here )Quote:
The startup sound most definitely belongs in there imho. As long as amibridge is integrated within icaros, then it would be nice to have it's settings in there as well (depending on the number of settings you eventually like to implement. Quote:
I came to the conclusion (my own personal one, that is), that i have a love-hate relation with such things. I really am dumbfounded by where all settings are scattered around. That really isn't the way to go, especially not for newbies. In that regards i like as many 'options' in one place as possible. But, on the other hand. One such program that does this is zune settings. And if there is one program that totally confuses me then it is the zune preferences program. It startled me back in the days on classic OS as well (mui prefs as it was called then )Quote:
You mean like a new and improved gui choice ? Hmz, wasn't there a requester library somewhere in the classic days that could do such thing with ease ? It could create beautiful requesters, with white checkered surrounding in the window and a bevelbox in which the text was located. Also had support for (default) graphics (like a question mark, exclamation mark, etc.) and all that. Darned if i know what it was called :S
Posted on: 2014/7/21 15:14
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Not really - something like "IcAROS Settings" or "IcAROS System Config" works for me.
Posted on: 2014/7/21 14:54
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@Kalamatee
Yes, I would too. Any opinion about the new name?
Posted on: 2014/7/21 14:13
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Im glad you plan to rename it - because I would prefer to see "Services" used for a proper service framework.
Posted on: 2014/7/21 13:57
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