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Re: Anyway thank you kalamatee for all you have done!
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 About the drama here? Why ? Cdimauro is a guru and may be right about "details" but honestly the main reason is just that Kal needs a computer. Persoanlly I love AMD. Take this: https://hothardware.com/reviews/monero-mining-with-amd-ryzen-threadripper For me it doesn't matter if Intel or AMD (Kals choice) but from a power point of view I like AMD more.. Let it mine sometimes and get pocket money : )
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I've absolutely no problem. Let's see if the other one is able to do it.
Posted on: 2018/6/17 9:50
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Can you please discuss technological things without fighting?
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Changing the topic IS a logical fallacy, whether you like it or not. Quote: You've posted a semi-technical diatribe (which could've just been copied from the wiki for the lack of substance it provides) to try and undermine I don't need wiki, as I stated before, because I've directly worked on those features. Here's the Intel SGX manual:https://download.01.org/intel-sgx/linux-2.1.3/docs/Intel_SGX_Developer_Guide.pdf Then show me how this, YOUR, statement applies: "Things like SGX, which make it easy to spot erroneous code." Quote: No, it is you that uses the "principle of authority", to try and claim that I didn't intend to use SGX (which _you_ have fixated on, not me - I explained it was ONE of the technologies/extensions that I intended to use to debug issues/continue developing AROS and specifically the SMP branch, that aren't available on AMD). And this is completely wrong, since you CANNOT use SGX for this purpose. Above you have SGX's manual: study it and then SHOW ME how you can use such technology for what you continue to falsely claim, since it's quite clear that you have absolutely no idea of how such extension works. Anyway, YOU made such statements about SGX, and YOU have to prove them. And do you know what's the funny thing here? That AMD Ryzen processors provide also extensions to create the so called "secure enclaves", and not only rivaling Intel SGX, but actually providing more features. BTW such AMD extensions where already reported by a user, but you ignored his message... Quote: YOU claim I said it was a debugging extension, which anyone reading the thread can see is just not true, I said I would like to use it to help debugging - but twisting words is the best you can do here to justify your authoritative/arrogant stance. I've said that they are NOT debugging extensions albeit they HAVE debugging extensions (for their sole purposes). And I've said that SGX is NOT useful for helping on debugging (unless you want to debug code running on a secure enclave. Of course). So, I've "simply" put the real facts on such technologies. Which are NOT debugging extensions, but... you wanted to use to help debugging (which is NOT the case). TL;DR I don't need to change your words: I'm perfectly fine discussing what you said, and which I've no difficult to quote and report. Quote: You have also tried to claim I need extensions to run the VM's which just isn't true, As above, I have said nothing about that. I've "only" put on the table to two topics (debugging and virtualization) from your quote AND specified how is the situation on Intel and AMD side. Quote: and only the performance/capacity to run the multiple VM's/builds that my previous system was capable of was indicated. Other people who do develop AROS, understand those requirements - but for you apparently it proves that I am somehow deceiving people. I don't need to develop AROS for understanding those obvious requirements: this is what happens in the industry, when you have to deal with large projects. Quote: Worse, you use your dishonest and unwarranted input to imply I am trying to dupe people into buying some kind of expensive toy, that would not serve to fulfil the requirements I have - and that I have some ulterior motive. Blah blah blah. Who stated that wanted to have only Intel CPUs, reporting false statements about AMD ones, like the cooling and so on? Actually AMD systems are a nice match for your needs, with much lower prices. We can discuss about what they REALLY miss, which are MPX and Processor Trace, but that's something which requires a lot of effort for porting and concretely using such NEW technologies to/for AROS, and you haven't shown any plan about it. You just wanted them. Dot. Quote: Its cute that you have edited your original post to change the wording, I edit if there's some mistake, or if someone edits his message heavily changing the content. I don't need to change my messages for being more polite or less harsh, as anyone can read. I've absolutely no problem with taking my responsibilities. Not like you, that continue to talk of things which you clearly have absolutely no idea about, and reporting urban myth about AMD processors. And it's really funny that I, as a former Intel employee, have to defend the competitor. Quote: but it doesn't change the fact you are dishonest/arrogant and over opinionated. Arrogant? Me? Please take a look at YOUR messages: YOU are the one that becomes harsh if some people says something which you don't like. All people, me included, had written polite and civil messages, until YOU became harsh. I've absolutely no problem talking in a civil manner, but I'm not the one which let your bad attitude pass over me. Regarding my "over opinionated" writings, well at least I know something about the technologies which we talked about. You made non-sense statements which anyone can verify, Intel and AMD manuals at hands, as well as taking a look at the last Intel and AMD processors reviews where even my kid can understand who draws more power and requires better cooling systems. Quote: I hope you actually do something for the AROS community other than talk shit on the forums. Again changing the topic. YOU made some "technical" claims which are NOT true because you absolutely wanted your top-notch Intel system instead of an AMD one which can do the work as well, at a fraction of the cost (for the community, which maybe you forget: it's the one which will pay. Not you!). And it's really silly that I've to say this, but this is the reality: for YOUR needs, actually an AMD system is a cheaper solution. For something else, well, we can talk about. In fact I prefer an Intel platform, but I've completely different needs. Now if you want to contribute with some FACTs about the TECHNICAL things that were discussed, it's OK for me. I've already provided a nice link to SGX so you can finally study and see how it works. If you need, I can also provide a link to the AMD's architecture system manual where you can find similar information about its "secure enclave" technologies. If you want to SERIOUSLY talk about technologies, I'm in. But I'll NOT be your sparring partner with your bully attitude.
Posted on: 2018/6/17 9:03
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A> That is not a logical fallacy. B> You've shown no such thing. Quote:
You've posted a semi-technical diatribe (which could've just been copied from the wiki for the lack of substance it provides) to try and undermine why I require suitable hardware, after someone already offered to provide the components I require, and ignored that I'm not interested in your opinion on why I need those components. I have no need to go into technicalities of how or why I would use those extensions to appease your ego, regardless of how authoritative you feel on the subject. Quote:
No, it is you that uses the "principle of authority", to try and claim that I didn't intend to use SGX (which _you_ have fixated on, not me - I explained it was ONE of the technologies/extensions that I intended to use to debug issues/continue developing AROS and specifically the SMP branch, that aren't available on AMD). YOU claim I said it was a debugging extension, which anyone reading the thread can see is just not true, I said I would like to use it to help debugging - but twisting words is the best you can do here to justify your authoritative/arrogant stance. You have also tried to claim I need extensions to run the VM's which just isn't true, and only the performance/capacity to run the multiple VM's/builds that my previous system was capable of was indicated. Other people who do develop AROS, understand those requirements - but for you apparently it proves that I am somehow deceiving people. Worse, you use your dishonest and unwarranted input to imply I am trying to dupe people into buying some kind of expensive toy, that would not serve to fulfil the requirements I have - and that I have some ulterior motive. Quote:
Its cute that you have edited your original post to change the wording, but it doesn't change the fact you are dishonest/arrogant and over opinionated. I hope you actually do something for the AROS community other than talk shit on the forums.
Posted on: 2018/6/17 8:05
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This is NOT relevant to the topic, and they are two combined logical fallacies. 1) you're trying to change the topic. Here's the topic: Quote: I need a high end core i7 though because of features that are in the chip that aren't in AMD chips (that massively help with debugging, particularly something as complex as the interactions that occur under smp) and because of the performance requirements needed to run multiple virtual machines/builds (we are talking 15+ builds of AROS at any one time to put it into context). In bold the defined requirements, which are (should be. IN THEORY, since it's clearly shown that the real goal was a different one) the kernel of the discussion. 2) you're invoking the so called "principle of authority". So, only someone which has contributed to AROS can speak about the topic. Which is clearly not true. Quote:
See above, and the previous messages. There were requirements that had to be satisfied. But the real goal was another one. Quote: what are you even putting your cock into this, if you haven't got anything constructive to say! First, I've already written TECHNICAL things about what was supposed to be the topic. If you have something to say about them, then go ahead, and you can also answer my TECHNICAL questions which are currently lacking a (TECHNICAL) answer (guess why...), right? Second, you're insulting with bad words, which is typical of people which is lacking arguments on a discussion. Nothing new here. Quote:
Same as above. No arguments -> insulting. Ridiculous. I want to remind you that it was NOT me that put on the table the requirements for a PC. And which became harsh on the discussion which was then originated (no, not only with me: look at the previous messages).
Posted on: 2018/6/17 5:14
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Oh my...
Posted on: 2018/6/17 4:09
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Wouldn?t the correct offensive term be ?cock holster?? :)
Posted on: 2018/6/17 1:18
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AMD FX 9370, 32 Gigs Ram, Radeon RX 480.(Might be a slight overkill for AROS) :)
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The only one who is cheating is you.. you are offending kalamatee for no reason. what are you even putting your cock into this, if you haven't got anything constructive to say! |
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I have one question for you. What have you actually contributed to AROS or its community?
Posted on: 2018/6/17 0:18
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AMD FX 9370, 32 Gigs Ram, Radeon RX 480.(Might be a slight overkill for AROS) :)
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