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>>>How do you know AROS is trying to boot from the CD drive? I assume the boot device is the Cd drive because; if I hit space to go to the early boot menu and select Boot Options, then I see an asterick by CD2: (selected for boot). >>>Do your computers boot without selecting the boot volume if you have no ntfs-handler present? No, I renamed the ntfs-handler in L and it still does not boot. >>>Do you have NTFS partitions on these computers? Yes. >>>And if they fail to boot, what are the symptoms? A "Please insert SYS:" requester like in Paolo's case? Yes.
Posted on: 2014/9/18 2:46
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How do you know AROS is trying to boot from the CD drive? What happens? My theory is that if a boot volume isn't chosen by the user through either the early boot menu or a GRUB option, AROS may try to mount other drives before choosing the right boot volume. However, that doesn't mean it actually chooses e.g. a video DVD or an NTFS partition. And I suspect that just mounting an NTFS volume may cause instability in some cases (e.g. failure to boot). On the other hand, I believe the early boot menu can identify a partition as NTFS without the ntfs-handler being present. @cavemann, ntromans Do your computers boot without selecting the boot volume if you have no ntfs-handler present? Do you have NTFS partitions on these computers? And if they fail to boot, what are the symptoms? A "Please insert SYS:" requester like in Paolo's case?
Posted on: 2014/9/18 0:07
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The CD drive (actually a DVD writer) is a SATA type and doesn't generally give any problems. An AROS live DVD/CD boots fine, Fryingpan burns discs with no issues, etc. The machine is set to boot first from this drive, but of course it is finding the GRUB from the hard-drive, so I don't know if that has any bearing on the matter. When I get a moment I'll try altering the boot sequence in the BIOS and see what happens. Cheers, Nigel. Edit: Just tried changing the boot order in BIOS - make no difference to the AROS boot list (CD still at the top).
Posted on: 2014/9/17 18:09
Edited by ntromans on 2014/9/17 20:50:35
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As allready mentioned, unless there is a suitable "AROS.boot" file present on the volume - it should not be booted.
Posted on: 2014/9/17 17:28
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The CD volume should not exist unless media is present - so there is either a bug with the handler in the new code, or a compatibility issue with your CD drive.
Posted on: 2014/9/17 16:40
Edited by Kalamatee on 2014/9/17 17:26:40
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@cavemann:
thanks for reporting back on all of this, also to tohers who did. @all: ok, so then we can conclude: - it's not ntfs related (only a symptom) - something seems to go wrong determining which boot device AROS needs/wants to boot from. - workaround is using bootdevice= grub option I'm afraid that's all i can do, and someone with more insight would have to take a look as of why. fwiw: Except for 1 machine, i hadn't encountered this with icaros experimental testing. I seem to remember ntromans had loads of problems with one of his machine's though :S
Posted on: 2014/9/17 12:48
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Sorry I neglected to mention it. If I don't select HD0 as the boot device, or boot from Usb, Aros wants to boot from Cd here too.
It does not matter if the Cd is empty, or if it has an Audio Cd, or even a Dvd movie in it. The Cd drive seems to be the default device, not the Windows Ntfs partition or DH0. The same machine booted normally when the old abiv0 was installed.
Posted on: 2014/9/16 23:35
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I will check for any further presence of ntfs.handler, but I am quite sure I have removed it from GRUB modules and from L drawer. It should not be included anywhere else but I will check. I can assure my netbook has a classic BIOS and it's not EFI compatible. BTW, the more we talk about this issue, the more I suspect it's not related to a flaw in NTFS handles. It occurred also to people booting from USB pendrives, and even to people without any NTFS partition, but just a CD-ROM drive: Quote:
I still believe there's something wrong with AROS' way to handle suitable partitions/volumes for boot. On the contrary, a NTFS partition (in my case), or other non-aros drives (in others' cases) and a empty CD-ROM player definitely shouldn't be kept in consideration as suitable volumes to boot from.
Posted on: 2014/9/16 21:17
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To add a further point to this, going to the early startup menu gets my machine booting too, but the default device selected is not the NTFS partition, but the CD drive (which is empty).
Cheers, Nigel.
Posted on: 2014/9/16 20:51
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@magorium
Adding bootdevice=DH0 works in my situation. The boot-up is automatic again. Thanks for the tip 
Posted on: 2014/9/16 18:49
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