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You're not in a rush? What does that mean? Would you like to see more developers contributing to AROS or not? falemagn wrote: Quote:
What about names of libraries? "workbench.library" etc. Quote:
I didn't say AROS should be commercial. I don't want it to be commercial. I haven't learned anything new from your post unfortunately :/ http://www.aros.org/documentation/developers/roadmap.php Very lovely, but to outsiders this is a bit "meh", if you know what I mean. I'm suggesting an ambitious roadmap is developed, that could attract more developers. This roadmap should not be the AROS Bible, but it should simply set a number of goals. Goals that make outsiders say "hmm, this seems like an interesting project... I'd like to contribute to it". Features such as memory protection, and (IMHO) platform-independent binaries should be part of these goals. AROS should clearly distinguish itself from Linux. Once such a roadmap has been created, the "new" AROS can be announced on community websites, attempting to reach potential developers. I'm not saying this is guarantueed to work, but it beats doing nothing. Regards, Brecht
Posted on: 2004/9/9 16:17
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No. It's true "R" stands for Research, but for many it's not just a "proof of concept." We work on AROS because we like doing so, and because, eventually, we want to bring it to a level where it's usable for more than mere research. We're pretty damn close now, but we're not in a rush. Quote:
The Only IP I can think of is the "Amiga" name in the - expanded - project name. There's already a solution for that: AROS = AROS Research Operating System  Quote:
AROS will never be commercial in truest form, not the official AROS at least (I can't say anything about possible forks that might happen in the future - who knows).
Posted on: 2004/9/9 9:54
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I think some people are forgetting two things:
1 - the "R" in AROS stands for Research. This is an experimental OS meant to be a proof of concept. 2 - AROS uses IP which belongs to another company. It uses it with permission, but that is only in the capacity of a research OS. If AROS ever wanted to "go commercial," it would have to license the IP under unknown terms. Who knows, maybe AROS will eventually become a commercial OS, but don't go leaping ahead. That's not what AROS is about.
Posted on: 2004/9/9 8:37
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So you agree something needs to be done to attract developers? In reply to DFergATL: I think the Amiga community is pretty much depleted of creative hobbyists. Most of those have said good-bye to Amiga as it's been pretty much dead for the last 10 years. OS4 or MorphOS won't change that, because they are held back by relatively slow, expensive hardware. AROS on the other hand runs on common x86 hardware (and hopefully hosted on Windows soon ;), and has the advantage of being open-source. That makes it easier to attract developers to AROS, as there are seemingly plently of hobbyist programmers (looking at the steady progress Linux has been making). But let's wait to hear what AROS dev team members have to say about this. Perhaps they just haven't read this thread yet (I know Fabio posts here sometimes, but I'm not sure about the others). Goodnight :) Brecht
Posted on: 2004/9/8 23:20
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I honestly think that all contributions are appricated. And I still think that if it was closer to being finished we would see more intrest from 3rd party Amiga software devlopers. Amgia is a small market and if AROS was useable they could see an increase in their market. I am not sure how Aros can compete with linux. I think it just too far behind right now. I am beta testing SkyOS and while it doesn't really do much in invovating it is shaping up to be really useable desktop OS.
But I still belive that we have an advantage for at least a little while longer. There are still companies devleoping software for Amgia (or Amgia like) systems. We could have a nice, fast OS with commercial support. Hoewever I don't think we will get there before it is too late. One other thought. It has been real quiet around here for the last few months. This usually means there is about to be some major updates. Aros could see some interest in the Amiga community if/when it can be installed to any size HD on a partition that doesn't have to take up the entire dirve and boot with other OSes. Also I think Aros is close to being able to host it's own devlopment. That might also make Aros more attractive. At this time Aros is really just something that boots up and looks nice, it really doesn't do anything. Really what can be done with it right now that is usefull? I am hoping that some of the things that we have been hearing about and seen threads on will be done soon. If we can get just some of the current Amiga community excited about Aros it will pobably see more devs. I hope anyway. It still stands I will buy the first commercial App for Aros ($99 US dollar limit please) even it isn't something I use. I have never wanted an OS to make it as much as I want this one to. Even if I have to stand behind it and shove.  |
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The problem dosent lay in what the core developers want but more the lack of core developers! sure some of them may only look upon it as a hobby project but others would surely not use theyre freetime on something that they dont belive in! as for me personaly i want AROS to become my main OS but this will take more time unless more developers join up and acctualy do something (a lot of devs join up but as you said yourself you dont have time to contribute as much as you want and this is the key problem).
Posted on: 2004/9/8 19:15
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Thanks for breaking the silence though :) I kind of suspected that was the case. But it's not very clear what the stance of the core developers is exactly on this. Let's hear it. I can't understand that they are not more ambitious. AROS has potential. While it alteady a nice OS, it's far from being modern or even usable. I can understand that they like it as it is, AROS being their little toy project, and I can respect that. But then I'm not sure why this site is here, for example? What are you people waiting for? So what is it? Is AROS a private toy OS or does it have a future? Do you really think AROS could compete with Linux in, say 5 years (or even 10), if developement continues at the current pace? What is it the developers want? Do they want help? On www.aros.org it says: "We need your help!". Can some light be shed on this? Or are only non-ambitious developers allowed to help? I myself might try to add SDL support to the hosted version, because that's something I would love to see (unfortunately I won't have much time, and so it's very likely that I drop it soon). Would such a contribution be appreciated? Judging by the replies in this thread, it appears not. So should I even bother? I'd just like an answer from the core AROS team, I suppose. It's not very clear what the plan is, if there is one. I, and I suspect the same goes for anyone on AROS-Exec, am waiting for a refreshing alternative to the currently popular OSes. AROS is looking very nice, but it lacks ambition to become big, and thus I am afraid it will slowly fade away (it might still be there, but noone cares). However, I do not want to impose anything on anyone. I'd just like the team to consider what I suggest. And I'd appreciate a reply, even if it's negative (I'm a big boy, I can handle it). Regards, Brecht
Posted on: 2004/9/8 18:33
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Come on Darklite. Did you really think anyone would comment on this? As much as I like AROS and have hope for it. I am not sure if the devs are really wanting to make a complete desktop OS. I think that what they want is what they already have, an expertmental OS to play with. Nothing serious. It is nice though.
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From the thread "Commercial Apps":
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Right, first things first. 1) Developers 2) Completion of AROS (a version 1.0) 3) Applications 4) An increasing userbase How can we attract developers? I think there are enough developers out there who would do it just for fun (look at the Linux community). How can AROS catch their attention? I'm afraid AROS just insn't being taken seriously by "outsiders". I think AROS is "just a copy of that antique and now-useless AmigaOS" to them. AROS needs to be put in the spotlight. Ambitious (even bold) goals need to be set. What Linux user will take AROS serious if it lacks memory protection and virtual memory. Features like these need to be clearly specified as being a part of the plan. Let's develop a roadmap for AROS. Where is AROS going? Is it a future potential developers agree with? Would they like to be contribute to it? In short, AROS needs to be marketed; to the open-source community. "AROS puts the You back into computing" and other (better, this was just an example  slogans need to be spread. From what I remember from my Marketing class, AROS is in a good position. It's in a market-segment of it's own. Windows is the commercial OS, disliked by many (mostly because of it's owners). Linux is the open-source alternative, but unfortunately not very sleek, and overkill/too complex for a "hobby OS" (ancient server OS forced into behaving like a desktop OS, give me a break :). AROS could fill the gap in between. It's the open-source OS that is small, fast and fun to use. I think AROS is now at a point where it already has something to show (natively running, desktop, GUI library, GCC, ...), but desperately needs to attract developers to get it somewhere. I hope you agree and am anxious to hear everyone's opinion on this. Regards, Brecht Machiels P.S. IMHO, portability should be a major part of the AROS philosophy, as it would be something truly unique. The adaptation of TenDRA (as discussed) needs to be investigated. Running AROS hosted on Linux and (especially) on Windows* is a must, and should remove all barriers for people to give AROS a try. Likewise, the datatypes system needs to be exploited as it's a very elegant concept, even today (well, it does need a re-design, but I've been over that). * How about using SDL for graphics and input (and later sound) for the hosted versions? Would make AROS very accessible.
Posted on: 2004/9/4 12:18
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